Roque Valente SRL
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hello we just sold ipe hidden clip system to your neighbouring country Lebanon, we have never sold to your country but we advise:
KD,
no treatment,
after installation UV inhibitor (against greying) and
substructure is most often some other kind of wood (cheaper but definitely also KD!)
we guess your market in ipe clip system, on our website we have some pros and cons. Israel by the way is not often clip system. Only French influenced markets, at least this is our experience.
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shorts is:
– cheaper
– easier to buy
– less prone to warping (banana bending)
but no importer is likely to buy shorts from us (exporter), it has so many advantages!
good luck
I would say that I would prefer KD, however this is more expensive and sometimes it ignores the basics on timber, drying and moisture content. To put it simple, the wood you have needs to be in balance with its surrounding, so if you live in a wet country (UK) then better AD, if you live in Chile, UAE, Israel or Mexico then defenitely better KD. Number 2 on the decision making is the kind of wood, if your wood is pine, it is obvious that it ‘works’ much more then a dense wood such a a hardwood like ipe or bankirai. If you want to know all the exact numbers on contraction and shrinkage of the most known woods we have a great wood comparisment chart for you. Good decionmaking!
many advertisers on this topic, getting loads of full service offers every day from India thru my email. If you like some advise, please let me know: [email protected]Â and I forward you the emails I get.
how has been the for you? 2012 is yet in May, but this year is going to be a great year.
We are an exporter, so at the beginning of the pipeline and we see some good perspectives in mainly new countries such as India, Turkey (seems to get very strong) but also pretty strange countries like Marocco and even Iran. The USA is way back and little by little emails are coming in but ordering has not yet happened.
By the way, the UK has never ever ordered ipe wood from our company, why would that be, is ipe not popular in the UK?Â
hello, I have itauba in Portuguese and German fact sheet, how do I post that here?
Karl Harrison said:
Great reply Roque,
I am working on data sheets that will appear on this site under the menu heading “Decking Advice”, I would be greatful if you could mail me details for Itauba, I can then add to my list.
I do agree that hardness should not be the only consideration, we have to consider stability and durability. If and when using some of the species that are more volatile in terms of stability then more substantial fixings should be considered.
Karl
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which decking is the best, the following is in my opinion the best decking for outdoor use. I base my opinion on years and years of experience exporting to different countries with different climates (hot, strong sun, wet, dry etc). In order of best to worst: teak – ipe – itauba – merbau – garapa – cumaru – iroko – massaranduba.
Why: many people confuse hardness with ‘good qaulity’ and durability. This is only party true. What makes the difference is weather the hardwood has raisin, a kind of a glue which is from the type of wood itself. For a mill that cuts the wood, this raisin is bad news because the blades need to be sharpened every other hour. However, for durability and gainst decay, this wood is perfect. Cumaru for example is very hard but does not contain this raisin with the result that it is cracks and decays at the ground level (where the air meets the soil and the wood is continuously either wet or dry). Massaranduba is known for twisting, cupping and bending. So if you want these woods, make sure that they are KD (kiln dried) which reduces these aforementioned problems significantly. If you really want to go into the detail, this is maybe a good resource for your digging: http://www.roquevalente.com/hardwood-species.htm Here we have listed most species on the market and you can compare them with the most relevant numbers (traction, Janka hardness etc).
hello, we are not exactly aware of all local brands around, however we are a specilized ipe decking supplier (located in Bolivia) and over the years we have gathered all information on ipe decking, staining, cleaning and maintenance at http://http://www.roquevalente.com/deckstain.htm I hope this is of any help. Good luck!
Mr Valente is back from the forest and here is my comment. I would like to note to the readers that I am an ipe decking supplier, in fact a mill located in Bolivia and that my main discussion partner, mr Alex Collins is a composite decking manufacturer.
1) my strategy is not based on negative marketing techniques but to get the propaganda storm from mainly out of China more into balance. Yes, ipe is not 100% perfect and yes composite decking is not 100% problematic. Of the posts I see on the internet 90% is about perfect and marvelous composite decking, while under this storm of attention there is also a true natural possibility which is ipe decking.
2) about the pictures this is hollow decking, indeed inferiour to massive decking. What I then do not read in your post about massive quality decking is the price? I wonder how much cheaper it then would be then just one of the best real wood decking options: ipe. This should be mentioned to get the right picture.
So, I still thing that it is just NOT true that composite decking is AND cheaper AND maintenance free AND also eco friendly, because these are the statements made by most composite decking sellers. If you increase the quality then where is the price going to?? So I just put everything into perspective , that is all.
okay, here is my proof:
– http://prodeckdoctor.com/news.phtml to see a law suit
– see pictures that I poste initially
– see reaction also by Terry Newman, as a manufacturer he is quite an insider in this matter
Conslusion: so there are Mercedes cars that also break down and so do Lada cars, however, my opinion is indeed that Mercedes cars break less down then Lada cars. So not all Ladas break down. Please remind that in this example Lada cars are much cheaper which is sometimes not the case for composite decking.
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I have posted this issue by the way because I see very often misleading and false claims from composite decking suppliers in respect of eco friendly ness, “maintenance free” and price. This is just not true and my goal is to balance off these misleading claims on their product and put it in perspective.
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(OFFENSIVE WORDS REMOVED)  ipe hardwood decking is so dense that it naturally resists, mildew, mold, fungus, and insects. To the contrairy, your composite decking because of the mixture between vinyl and pulp wood, it absorbs moisture, then dispels it this creates a pocket within the vinyl that soaks up moisture every time it gets wet. Over time your composite decking will face black mold, like an un-vented shower stall and it will never subside. Cleaners may make it look alright for a few days—but it will always come back. Apparently they still have issues. If composite decking contains wood it may be prudent to steer clear of the product. Warrantees offered by Composite decking companies are notorious for pointing out their tragic flaws. Pool chemicals, mechanical wear, mold growth are most often not covered by their limited lifetime warrantee!
hello, discussions are not to make people upset but to set forward believes and especially pro’s and cons. The forum (as I see it) is like the parliament where different viewpoints are given and people then make up their own mind. I am well aware that per labour costs (at least in Belgium/ Germany etc) is around 50 euro/m2, it doesn’t really matter whether it be ipe deck or composite deck. What does matter is that once installed, the maintenance needs to be minimized because of these same costs. That is why eventually cheap stuff ends up expensive.
Correct, from the initial posting I did not know it was for heavy pedestrian use. We are mainly an exporting company but sometimes arquitects or contractors contact us directly with almost impossible orders. We just sell a few widths (90/95/120/140 and 145mm wide x 19/20/21mm thich and random lengths) while these arquitects or contractors require specific quantity of boards of a certain width and even specified lengths!
Orders like this will reduce output (#boards produced per log) will reduce significantly and sometimes this doubles the price. It is true howver that the quantity of substructure will be reduced, however, substructure is a fraction of the total price so this is not quite the argument that would justify the request for 35mm thick. Also labour is more affected by the lengths of the boards (more boards to install per m2) then by the thick of the boards. Anyhow, heavy pedestrian use would justify, or just a client with a big wallet who doesn’t care.
So if you need good quality for ordinary use, just order random lengths, standard thick and in respect of wrapping and cupping do consider narrower widths! cheaper and safer.
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hello,
1) yes, we are such a supplier (ipe decking only), I need to say that decking other then 19/20 or 21mm is always MUCH more expensive
2) why the difference in thick? I have no idea since 20m is more then enough especially if it is hardwood decking, but some need special superdeck for some misterious reason.
So if you are in need of a large quantity (10,000sqft / 1000m2) do not hesitate to contact us for a very competitive quotation! http://www.roquevalente.com
