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  • #725
    Decking Decor
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    Hi Jeremy

    Sorry its taken a while to reply to your question, been frantically busy, This is very much a personal thing and will come down to what the client wants. What you will find with Ipe, is that it will weather very quickly, starting to lose its colour within a couple of months especially if the deck is south facing and exposed. If the client wishes to keep the fresh look of the timber then I would most certainly offer to oil it and for this I would choose D1 Pro as opposed to D1.

    D1 Pro was specially developed for exotic hardwoods such as Ipe, Cumaru etc which are dense and difficult to penetrate. It has the penetrating qualities of D1 but with added UV filters, which not only help to keep the wood looking new longer but also enhance the natural reddish brown of woods such as Ipe. If oiling is chosen by the client then preparation of the wood is important to get the best from the finish and for this I would use Prepdeck followed by Net-trol. Due to the density of Ipe it is now suggested that new Ipe is treated with a 1 to 1 Prepdeck / water solution as opposed to the normal 1 to 4 mix. Using Prepdeck will have several benefits – it will remove any mill glaze, open the grain of the wood, wash out excess oils and degrease the surface of the wood – thus helping the oil to penetrate better and more easily. This should all be followed with Net-trol diluted 1 to 1 with fresh water to restore the woods colour – Prepdeck reacts with the tannins in the wood causing it to darken. Once preparation is complete and the wood allowed to dry for a couple of days then application of the oil can take place.

    I would not recommend sanding the wood and then oiling. The issue with sanding is that while it may remove some of the mill glaze it will not fully open the pores of the Ipe especially if you do not use a coarse enough grit, nor will it remove any excess tannins or degrease the surface all of which will restrict the penetration of the D1 Pro into the Ipe.

    I hope all of the above helps.

    Thomas

    #763
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    #766
    Decking Decor
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    Hi Karl

    Following communications with you and Lana and information from the client we have established the following

    Deck was realised end of June and protected with Decks Olje D1. All fine during the summer. In October a fence was add to the balcony and while being constructed the decking was scratched. Client had the deck sanded, he says by the professional, so I assume by the same people who installed the fencing since they were the people who scratched the deck, to remove the scratches and 2 applications of D1 applied. The first application of D1 being applied 2 days after it had rained, the second applied 8 days later.

    The first thing to say here is that the D1 was applied incorrectly and thus the second application has created a film on the surface as indicated by the glossy appearance. D1 should be applied wet-on-wet that is to say that as soon as the first application has gone in, you apply the next, continuing this process until the wood will accept no more oil. At this point you leave the last application approximately 20-30 minutes and then brush out or wipe up any areas of oil that are puddling on the surface and leave to dry. On a new Ipe deck I would expect 2-3 applications of D1 is all that would be needed. What should be noted is that D1’s place is in the wood not on the surface.

    From the information and photos we have, there are a number of issues here but the short answer to the blotching is, that it is water damage. So why has this blotching occurred? Under normal circumstances the drying time given for D1 is 24 hours but D1 is a naturally air drying oil and thus its drying time is affected by temperature and humidity. Low temperatures and high humidity will both slow the drying time of D1, whether each as a separate factor or a combination of both. October was a very wet month and we also had overnight frosts. What has happened in this case, is, that it has rained some time after application and the rain has been continuous or a short heavy downpour; from the photos I would say the latter is the most likely. The D1, due to the factors mentioned above was not dry enough, prior to it raining, for it to with stand a heavy downpour. As the rain hit the oil, so it broke it up causing it to dry as blotches, the larger blotches are also due to where water has sat as a puddle on the undried oil preventing it from properly drying, while the whitish appearance is due to the oil at the surface of the wood being washed away by the force of the rain leaving the wood with not enough oil in it to give the right appearance and possibly emulsification of the undried oil due to the rain hitting with force. This issue was further exasperated by the fact that the D1 had been allowed to create a film on the surface, something it is not designed to do. Creating a film of D1 on the surface will also increase its drying time especially in the moist atmosphere we had in October. The only reason these marks were not seen sooner will be due to the deck not properly drying out before then and thus not being seen.

    There are 3 choices when it comes to rectifying the situation and it will depend on the extent and severity of the damage 1- chemically strip the entire deck; 2 – chemically strip only the affected boards; 3 – sand the affected boards.

    For stripping the entire deck use Prepdeck. For stripping individual boards use Aquanett rather than Prepdeck as it has a thicker gel like consistency. This gives you more control over it, and reduces the risk of damaging good boards next to the damaged boards. With both Prepdeck and Aquanett the deck should be treated with Net-trol after stripping to restore the Ph and colour of the wood.

    For the sanding method proceed as follows. Sand the affected boards using an orbital sander and 80 grit paper. The sanding is not to strip the oil off but to sand out and blend in the affected areas. Dust off and then wipe with a cloth saturated in Methylated Spirits (denatured alcohol) to remove any sanding residue. As soon as the Meths has flashed off, a SINGLE application of D1 can be applied. This will even out the finish and bring the deck back to its original look.

    I have posted below photos of an Ipe deck where I got caught out by the weather (the weatherman said it wasn’t going to rain and it did!) using the sanding method. I hope they show you the white marking, similar to that in the photos above but just not as bad.

    Which ever option the client chooses the work should not be carried out till spring at the earliest when the weather warms up.

    On a final note, while sanding of the deck to remove the scratch marks was ok there was no need to apply 2 applications of D1. Why? While sanding the deck will remove the appearance of the oil it will not remove the oil that has penetrated in to the wood, only using a floor sander with a very coarse grit will do this. Applying 1 liberal application of D1 is all that would have been needed to restore the deck, since all you are doing is topping up the D1, which is still in the wood.

    #808
    Decking Decor
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    Hi Jeremy

    I would back up what Karl has said but rather than the 7sqm’s per litre I would work on 4sqm’s per litre when stripping with Prepdeck and use Net-trol undiluted. For stripping work in areas that you can strip in 20/30 minutes and use a garden sprayer with a fan head, to apply the Prepdeck – it’s the most efficient way. In general before starting the work I always carry out 2 tests, the first on the parts where the coating is the least damaged, the second where the coating is the most damaged. These tests will determine the contact time required for the condition of the coating to be stripped and help to minimise or avoid the darkening (if it’s a hardwood or wood high in tannins) and furring of the wood.

    As soon as you have stripped an area and rinsed it apply the Net-trol and leave to sit until the wood has lightened but for at least 15 minutes, if you leave it on longer it doesn’t matter since Net-trol will not harm the timber. If you do not have a powerwasher, then a good quality scrubbing brush and hose with good pressure will work. Hot water will also help. By the way DO NOT use a natural bristle scrubbing brush, Prepdeck will soften it. I own one of these  http://www.wolman.com/product_detail.asp?ProductID=19 and its brilliant, 5 year and it’s still going strong. Couple of other tips for you; Prepdeck is very slippy to walk on so be careful. Also after you have applied it, leave it 5 minutes then scrub (not heavily) the Prepdeck treated surface this will help to work it into the coating and help with the stripping. This is one bit where the slippiness of Prepdeck helps as you can skate across the surface while scrubbing.

    Hope this helps

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